At some distance even the 28 Nosler is going as slow as the 7x57mm Mauser, at which point -- if they're pushing the same bullet -- impact performance would be identical. Now I am waffling between the 6.5x284 Norma and the 300 PRC. I fear too many of us assume bullets are like the fists of a heavyweight boxer. Waugh! Clinically, about 10 minutes after oxygen depletion, brain cells die. Ron Spomer tried dozens of combinations of rifles, cartridges, and bullets en route to discovering the bullet and it's placement are more important than caliber, bullet mass, or terminal energy. All of this is quite clinical, some might say morbid, but that's reality. Choose your cartridge based on exterior ballistic performance parameters like drop, wind deflection, and energy retention. Thank you . The .28 Nosler is a shortened version of the 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. The 28 Nosler is running over 100gr of water. So much for punch making a big impression. Thinking about either the Christensen arms ridgeline 28 nosler or weatherby weathermark lt in 300 wby mag. My dad’s rifle likes to be shot pretty clean, with a thorough copper cleaning each time it’s scrubbed. Perhaps in another 50 years, the name Nosler will be recognizable the same way Remington and Winchester are today. 28 nosler vs 300 wby mag. 7 mag Hornady. Thread starter Cogreeny; Start date May 19, 2017; May 19, 2017 #1 Cogreeny Active member. The formal launch took place at the 2014 SHOT Show in addition to Nosler’s new platform rifle, the Patriot, which is chambered in 26 Nosler and built on the company's well-reputed M48 action. The larger the fist and the more energy it packs, the better the odds for hurting the opponent. That’s a significant drift. The more arteries and blood vessels opened, the faster blood is drained from the animal's cardiopulmonary system and the faster its loses consciousness. As far as intended targets for this round, it is devastatingly effective against medium game such as White-tailed Deer. Their ammunition is good, very good in fact, at what it’s intended to do. AccuBond) Trajectory (with 180 gr. Trajectory (200 yd Zero with 180 gr. I know they are similar in ballistics what do you guys think about these two cartridges head to head? Posts: 14,329. Case Design: Based on the 404 Jeffrey Same case as the 30 Nosler When compared to the 28 Nosler, the 27 Nosler has a longer neck and a shorter length to the shoulder to prevent the 28 from being chambered in the 27. If you are looking to hunt bear, elk, or any larger animals, you may need to upsize your ammunition. SAAMI maximum overall cartridge length … Here is a ballistic chart of 280 Ackley Improved cartridge performance when firing a 175-grain Nosler AccuBond Long Range. Hunting. Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:18 am . A fast, flat-shooting cartridge/bullet that minimizes wind deflection can help you do that. Just download the app and search Ron Spomer Outdoors. The 26 Nosler cartridge is really sensitive to minor changes in loads, so finding the right load that consistently shoots well can be really challenging. Here are 280 AIs loaded with Nosler Accubonds and Barnes TSX, two solid options for big game. 6.5mm (.264) caliber bullets, and is capable of shooting the Nosler 129 grain, AccuBond Long Range bullet at a blazing 3400 fps out of the muzzle. Originally designed for hunting. Just as the 7mm STW is a necked-up version of the 6.5 STW, so it goes with the .28 Nosler and the .26 Nosler. .648 in the 175-grain .284 platform, .625 in the 142-grain .264 caliber) will keep more than 1,500 f-p to 600 yards. The .28 Nosler is a shortened version of the 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. HUGE differences. As a result, the 27 Nosler is as innovative as the .270 Win. The 27 Nosler has a long leade for sleek, high BC, long ogive, ABLR and RDF style bullets. . Since then, the 26 Nosler® has achieved such renowned success that adding another member to the cartridge family became an obvious decision. The 260 Rem AI looked good too but I don't really want to go through having to fire form brass and it looked like I'd have to have a custom rifle built for it. It sends the brain the oxygen it requires. In my opinion, the 6.5 Creedmoor is the best all-around distance shooting cartridge. Also of note is that the 26 Nosler has 5 ½ inch bullet rise at 200 yards, which is significantly more than the 3 inches of deviation that is considered acceptable. Joined: Tue May 12, 2009 12:18 pm Posts: 1352 Location: MOLALLA, OR My 26 Nosler brass came the other day so I mocked up a couple of rounds. But the brain can function without fresh blood/oxygen for several seconds. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk . I rank a 165-grain Barnes TTSX with a 180-grain Partition for penetration. The Nosler Patriot rifle is built on the M48 action and chambered in the new 26 nosler. Brass life for the .26 Nosler should be longer than that of the 6.5-300, as the Nosler design lacks the belt of brass, and the case stretching and thinning associated with it. Choose Options. Another new 7mm is the impressive 28 Nosler. It's hard to imagine, yet I've seen it many times. The 26 Nosler is a cheetah that can out distance the.270 and even the 7mm Remington Magnum for Max Point Blank Range (MPBR) shooting a 129 grain Long Range AccuBond bullet at 3400fps with MPBR of 415 yards with the new Long Range AccuBond bullet. As most of us have seen in countless videos of deer and elk being struck by bullets, animals as lightly framed as a 200-pound whitetail can absorb 3,000 to 4,000 f-p energy from magnum cartridges and run off. Rebating the rim to 0.534 inch simplifies the production of rifle bolts since the rims of Holland & Holland-style belted magnums, such as the 7mm Remington … Loaded the 129LRAB to OAL of 3.47", that puts the top of the boat tail at the bottom of the neck. More Guns. Like many shooting enthusiasts, the Nosler family has always dreamed of introducing a new rifle cartridge to the industry and in 2014, that finally happened with the arrival of the 26 Nosler®. The .26 Nosler has right at 11 inches of drop and hits with 2,343 foot pounds of energy. Dec 26, 2019 #1 Which cartridge is better for long range deer/ elk hunting? Nosler rounds are designed to be long-range hunting rounds. Recoil aside what is the best for medium to large sized game? The 28 Nosler. $37.00 . Knockdown power, Taylor knockout formulas, etc. Also, when did Nosler come out with a 27 Nosler? It is based on the non-belted .26 Nosler case (itself based on a cut-down Remington Ultra Mag case) necked-up to accept 7mm (.284") bullets. And, I know they are going to be pretty similar, but, still, I have to choose one. Apr 9, 2017 - Explore none's board "28 Nosler" on Pinterest. Notable is the fact that 22 Nosler, introduced in 2018, won the NRA Golden Bullseye Award for Ammunition Product of the Year. In any caliber, heavier bullets are useful for increasing penetration and energy, but harder bullets (like Barnes TTSX) can modify that considerably. Think Swift A-Frame, Federal Trophy Bonded Bear Claw and Terminal Ascent, etc. A reader recently asked which was best for hunting. With their entry into the hunting rifle market, it’s obvious that Nosler has intentions of becoming more than just a niche ammunition company. 7mm Magnum Showdown: 7mm Rem. 26 nosler vs 6.5-300 weatherby. Gobears16 Sergeant of the Hide. The 26 Nosler is a cheetah that can out distance the.270 and even the 7mm Remington Magnum for Max Point Blank Range (MPBR) shooting a 129 grain Long Range AccuBond bullet at 3400fps with MPBR of 415 yards with the new Long Range AccuBond bullet. The second round is a 28 Nosler mock up. Between 2014 and 2018, Nosler introduces several new hunting cartridges, all bearing the family name. All other Nosler rounds are based on non-compatible cases. GregW. 500-600 round barrel life." Joined Sep 23, 2016 Messages 194 Location Lyons, CO . Choose your rifle based on handling characteristics and performance (weight, length, balance, cycling, precision.) Terminal performance is more about placement, expansion, and penetration (to maximize tissue destruction) than punch or power. Dec 26, 2019 #2 Lots of questions before a answer could be given. Nosler created its new .28 by merely necking up last year’s .26 Nosler case, but that case started from the 7mm RUM case, which is itself a derivative of the .404 Jeffery, one of those fat-bodied British dangerous-game rounds from the early years of the smokeless powder era. Trying to decide between the 27 Nosler and the 28 Nosler. A monolithic bullet like the copper, hollow-nosed Barnes TTSX that retains most of it's mass upon impact will penetrate farther than a bullet that loses mass due to fragmentation, lead, erosion, or jacket separation. Various bonded and hybrid bullets with lead or titanium shanks behind hollow copper or bonded lead noses can penetrate as well as the Barnes, too. The 26 Nosler looks like a good option that I imagine would outperform the 6.5 PRC while not being miserable to target shoot like a 30 cal magnum would be. 6.5mm (.264) caliber bullets, and is capable of shooting the 129gr Nosler® AccuBond® Long Range (ABLR) and 130gr AccuBond® bullets at a blazing 3400 fps out of the muzzle. The Nosler has the power to remain flatter at the longest distances, while the Creedmoor is a good combination of power and light recoil, which is favored by some shooters. While neither choice will be inexpensive to feed, there is something fun about having the fastest cartridge in its class, and both the .26 Nosler and 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum are in the top tier. Thread starter Mykeys; Start date Dec 26, 2019; Forums. 28 Nosler Load Data; 300 AAC Blackout Load Data; 30-30 Winchester Load Data; 30/40 Krag Load Data; 308 Marlin Express Load Data; 300 Savage Load Data; 308 Winchester Load Data ; 30 Thompson Center Load Data; 30-06 Springfield Load Data; 300 Ruger Compact Magnum (RCM) Load Data; 308 Norma Magnum Load Data; 30-06 Springfield Ackley Improved Load Data; 300 Rem Short Action Ultra … So, the 280 AI with case capacity of around 65-grains water (varies by bullet seating depth) would generate the least muzzle energy and the least recoil. Each bullet was packing about 3,000 f-p of energy. The old 7mm Rem. The Nosler Patriot rifle is built on the M48 action and chambered in the new 26 nosler. It’s running high pressure and using a 28” barrel. Joined Apr 15, 2020 Messages 2. JimP Veteran member. I know they are similar in ballistics what do you guys think about these two cartridges head to head? The formal launch took place at the 2014 SHOT Show in addition to Nosler’s new platform rifle, the Patriot, which is chambered in 26 Nosler and built on the company's well-reputed M48 action. Of course the bigger recoil contributor is bullet mass. 26 Nosler, 28 Nosler and the 280Ai. Minuteman. Hi RonI have a question concerning 3 cartridges. The 26 Nosler (H2O capacity 93-grains) would be next in line, and then the 28 Nosler with similar H2O capacity as the 26 Nosler, but the option to drive heavier bullets. The 27 Nosler has a long leade for sleek, high BC, long ogive, ABLR and RDF style bullets. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors © document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) ratings lose much energy to drag. The .26 Nosler cartridge was designed to take advantage of the inherently accurate and high B.C. That's when it starts wobbling or running erratically. Perhaps the most important question to ask yourself before deciding is “What am I hunting?” For strictly White-tail Deer, a smaller round will suffice. Joined: Aug 2005. Let’s look at the specifics: As you can see, the 28 Nosler has significantly less bullet drop than it’s smaller brother the 26. All Rights Reserved. by Tier1arms | Jun 2, 2020 | Rifles | 0 comments. Dec 23, 2019 4 0. mr.big . #10810740 12/26/15: Joined: Aug 2005. Given the same 150-grain AccuBond bullet only drops 28-inches at 500 yards, it’s safe to say they might have done so with an extraordinary flat-shooting option. Sticking with the 8-pound rifle, the 26 Nosler pushing a 142-grain bullet 3,200 fps will recoil 16 fps with nearly 32 f-p energy. It is based on the non-belted.26 Nosler case (itself based on a cut-down Remington Ultra Mag case) necked-up to accept 7mm (.284") bullets. . Notice how its much faster muzzle velocity enables it to shoot flatter. You can read about the benefits of MPBR zeroing here. I have yet to see anyone do a comparison of the two cartridges, no doubt because the 27 Nosler is a very new option at this time. The 160-grain factory loads leave the muzzle at 3,300 feet per second and, when sighted in at 200 yards, the bullet is only 14.9 inches low at 400 yards. As an … I´ve read everywhere that the 26 Nosler is a terrible barrel burner, how much more barrel life should I expect from a 28 compared to the 26?? I believe the 26 is being produced by Nosler and a few other companies, I don’t think the 28 is yet. The 26 Nosler is based on the (also fairly new) 6.5mm or .243 caliber round, which is extremely accurate and produces a high B.C. The powder capacity of the new .28 Nosler is virtually the same as that of the 6.5 STW, .26 Nosler, and 7mm STW. Heck, no game animal is walking away from a solid hit in the vitals from ANY of these. I've finally decided to go elk hunting in Colorado this fall just need to figure out what gun to buy yet. Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:08 am . Don't think of the 28 nosler as some new thing... just think of it as what it is: Nosler's version of a 7RUM. Either round should be capable of pushing a … GregW. Fast forward to 2014, and the Nosler Ammunition Company finally puts its name to a brand new hunting cartridge, called the 26 Nosler. They share a maximum body diameter of 0.550 inch. nvbroncrider Post subject: Re: .270Weatherby VS .27 Nosler. More Hunting. Jun 13, 2018 264 133 Walnut Creek, Ca. Nosler is a name that’s not as familiar as Remington and Winchester, but hunters recognize the name. 28 Nosler Load Data; 300 AAC Blackout Load Data; 30-30 Winchester Load Data; 30/40 Krag Load Data; 308 Marlin Express Load Data; 300 Savage Load Data; 308 Winchester Load Data ; 30 Thompson Center Load Data; 30-06 Springfield Load Data; 300 Ruger Compact Magnum (RCM) Load Data; 308 Norma Magnum Load Data; 30-06 Springfield Ackley Improved Load Data; 300 Rem Short Action Ultra … Jun 13, 2018 264 133 Walnut Creek, Ca. The .26 Nosler cartridge was designed to take advantage of the inherently accurate and high B.C. Perhaps the two most popular are the 26 Nosler and 28 Nosler. February 26, 2020. . 30 Nosler vs. 300 Win Mag. PX Member. By Ron Spomer. They really don't. Don't think of the 28 nosler as some new thing... just think of it as what it is: Nosler's version of a 7RUM. I expanded the neck with a 7mm … Push a 175-grain 2,800 fps in the 280 AI and it'll recoil 14 fps with 24 foot-pounds of energy in an 8-pound rifle. The 30 Nosler was released in January 2016. Best gun I’ve ever owned! The 7LRM is what I shoot, and it occupies a nice happy medium ground between the 280AI and the 28 nosler. Published data for most other cartridges is running lower pressure from shorter barrels. Latest. For 2015 Nosler, located in Bend Oregon, introduced a new 7mm Magnum cartridge, the .28 Nosler. Hunting. After that trip, he set about making a hunting bullet that would perform well every time, regardless of the game or shot angle. This is a barrel of Barnes TSX bullets at the manufacturing plant. Think long and hard about bullets. A side-by-side comparison of the .270 Winchester vs. .27 Nosler vs. .277 Sig Fury. 26 nosler vs 6.5-300 weatherby. As an … In 2014 Nosler introduced the flat-shooting .26 Nosler, following it up in 2015 with the .28 Nosler (7mm) that was based on the .26 case but necked accordingly. The 26 Nosler has a new big brother, the 28 Nosler. And animals can run a long way in seconds. Case Design: Based on the 404 Jeffrey Same case as the 30 Nosler When compared to the 28 Nosler, the 27 Nosler has a longer neck and a shorter length to the shoulder to prevent the 28 from being chambered in the 27. The company was founded after John Nosler was on a hunting trip in 1948 and failed to take down a bull moose despite a perfectly aimed shot with his .300 H&H. A close cousin of the 26 Nosler, 28 Nosler is a larger, more powerful round. They may be a family-owned business, but they are a worldwide distributor of bullets, cartridges, and brass. Posts: 14,329. $37.00 . Brain cells become oxygen starved and stop doing their job. He started his company over 50 years ago to make a better bullet because he wasn’t satisfied with what was on the market. Joined Apr 15, 2020 Messages 2. HUGE differences. But emphasizing punch over placement -- or expecting a bigger thump to compensate for poor placement -- is not a winning formula. Shades of yesteryear. Those are insignificant differences in cases of such large capacities. The 26 Nosler® cartridge was designed to take advantage of the inherently accurate and high B.C. This is the ballistic chart for the 26 Nosler. Again, both seen like great options but I want this to be a hunting rig, as I've got a rifle for shooting steel. Your email address will not be published. Zeroed at 350 yards, the 26 Nosler® has a Point Blank Range of 0-415 yards. Either round should be capable of pushing a … The 28 and 30 Nosler are potentially great rounds. And I bet you have, too. Further, that when coupled with the Nosler Long Range AccuBond it holds on to energy and speed at long distances. Joined: Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:55 am Posts: 3084 Location: Battle Mountain, NV Rich, It's a wildcat it's not commercialized yet. What are Handgun Suppressor Sights and Why Would I Need Them. Of more interest to you, Kale, seems to be terminal performance on game. Dec 26, 2019 #1 Which cartridge is better for long range deer/ elk hunting? Whether you choose 280 AI, 26 Nosler, 28 Nosler, here's wishing you the best of luck, Kade. The company took the smoking fast 6.5mm cartridge and necked it up to 7mm. The 150-grain Barnes X from this 280 AI Rifles, Inc. Strata Stainless wasn't going to knock this big AK moose down, but it easily caused sufficient hemorrhaging to drop the 1,000-pound deer. Of course the bigger recoil contributor is bullet mass. How short is the barrel life of a 28 Nosler?? 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